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ros: i'm ros atkins. welcome to "outside source." canada's prime minister says the plane that crashed in owan were shut prime min. trudeau: we have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence. the evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an iranian surface-to-air missile. ros: all 176eople on board including 63naanadians died. da is going for a ful investigatio iran is denying the investigation, saying it is scientifically impossible. the queeo n tryingnd a suitable role for the duke and duchess of sussex after they announced they were stepping back. and a spotlight on fossil fuel industry as the bushfire crisis continues to wors.
ros: canada's prine minister ju trudeau says that intelligence suggesting that the ukrain crashed near tehran on wednesday was shot down by no irann missile. di6 people were killed inc 60 canadians. mr. trudeau said this at a press comierence. prim trudeau: we have intelligence from multiple sources, including our allies and our own intelligence. the evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an iranian surface-to-air missile. this may well have been unintentional. this new information reinforces the need for a thoroug investigation into this matter. ros: before that press conference, cbs put out information on the story saying it haded confi u.s. officials are confident the ukrainian plane was shot down by iran.
u.s. intelligence picked up the signals of the radar being turned on and satellites detected irared blips of two missile launches, probablas a 15-- sa-15's. sa-15's of launcher.his kind we know the iranians have them. "newsweeky" carried this st quoting intelligence sources in is article which told of the the pentagon's assessment is that the incident was accidental , iran's antiaircraft was likely act of following t country's ssile attack which came in response to the u.s. killing us to give general custom soleimani. iranian investigators have a quite different account. they say it is scientifically animpossible for the ukrai plane was hit by a missile and such rumors are illogical. t for the first time, the u.s. and iran are not agreeing. we know this plane took off from the international airport close to tehran.
it was a ukraine international airlines flight to kiev, and it apart from the airport just after 6:00 a.mlocal time. two minutes later, the plane stopped communicating and came down shortly afterwards. this footage is reported to show his last moments in the air. we cannot verify this video, but if it is genuine, you can see a small glowing circle tracking downwards. anthen there is a big flash. the canadian journalists pressed mr.au truhether iran was to blame for the crash because of the rising tensions between washington and tehran, all connected to the killing of this man, general cost some soleimani. in the press conrence, the prime minister and chose to pass up an opportunity to absolve the americans of blame. >> if the intellteence is accuome it seems this is the end result of a sequence of events t drone strikordered by the u.s. president. given the information you have,
how much responsibility does the united states bear for this tragedy? prime min. trudeau: the evidence suggests this is the likely cause, but we need to have a full and complete and credible investigation to establish exactly what happened. that is what we are calling for and that is what we are expeing will happen. s: i have been talking to cbs news's transport correspondent. >> you have to assume that the u.s. and cada, being such ose allies, have been sharing intelligence on this, and it seems to line up. what we are hearing is that u.s. intelligence saw through satellite and other intelligence that the iranians activated a radar signal and fired those missiles, as you guys have reported. that seems to track with what the prime minister said there, as he was calling for a full and open investigation.
and certainly the u.s. would like to see that, too, and at the very least prenented from hag again. we also know that this morning federal officials in the u.s. at various agencies were briefed on this intelligence. it appears it is starting to come io focus overnight that we were in fact looking at a missile strike. ros: are your sources suggesting this was a mistake? >> indications here are that the plane was mistakenly targeted. one of the things that we are still working on figuring out is how far was this airplane from where those missiles may have t en launched, and what direction wasn'ying in. -- was it flying in. but it appears it was not intentionally downed by the armenian military, best our sources can tell at this point. ros: presumably the thought is that iranian antimissile -- tiaircraft missile provisions,
technology, would have been on a treater state of alert t normally. >>ht rig, let's set the scene here. this plane took off a few hours after iran has launched the missiles at the two faces--in- -- two bases in iraq. you have to figure that the armenian military would be on high alert for a u.s. response-- iranian military would be a pilot for a u.s. resnse. there were only a handful of aircraft flying in and out of antet this time based on flight tracking sites we have access. and the faa a couple of hours before, the u.s. aviation authority, had put a notice out to u.s. pilots to avoid the airspace over iran and iraq out of con this happening. like certainly there was heightened awareness and heighneth concern potential for a mistake. it has happened before, these fog-of-w moments were of civilian airliner is staking for something else and shot down. ros:ar more detailemerging about the victims.
they just married in iran and were traveling home toanada. also on board, these two and her two young daughters. all of them lost their lives. there have individuals taking place in a number of places. this is one in toronto. others have taken place across canada to mourn the victims. >> she was only 21. she was coming to tell us goo news, that you was getting married-- sheet wasng married, that she was graduating this semeste she was full of dreams, and now they are ge. >> i knew three people in that crash, and i went to social media tcheck posts from different friends in the community, and they were posting about their friends, and i was
ke, ok, im nearly connected to 10 people. ros: let's turn to a story dominating the news in the u.k., because the queen has directed all four well households to find a workable solutann for the duke duchess of sussex within days, not weeks. this is in response meghan announcing yesterday they are stepping back from their role as senior royals. it came as a shock to the public and the royal famy as well. palace sources say they were blindsided by the announcement. here is how some royal commentators have reacted. >> the only sensible way of proceeding was to have arranged this beforehand with other members of the royal family, while household. they have chosen to do the opposite and go broke. -- go rogue. the result could have a very seris consequences. these are very vacated negotiations. i n't see how they can live abroad and do their duty to the
queen t a patronage. that makes absolutely no sense to me. >> i see them now as setting up a kind of rival royal court or institution away from things, which frankly never really works. >> i'm seeing a lot of excitement. people here seem to be overjoyed that they will be comi home for meghan, and a lot of people are curious as to whether they are going to be going to canada, where she films "suits" and where theypent their lovely holiday, or whether they will be going to los angeles. ros: as you n imagine, the stories being covered extensively in newspapers in the u. " the daily mirror" says they didn't even tell the queen. "the daily mail" picks up on that theme. "new york post" when for the headline of the people of god for, "gxit." and removing harry and meghan royal display in london alreadyl there were sev important
elements of this decision for haand meghan. they want is the time between north america and the u.k. -- they want to split time between nort we think that came into focus during their break in canada over christmas. ow grateful they were, that they were made to feel so welcome during that break. here is some canadians on th prospect of meghan moving there. >> they got to do what they got into to be happy. >> we are part of the commonwealth. >> i guess it is exciting for people in canada. >> they don't have paparazzi bother them as much here as they would in the u.k. i'm happy to have them. ros: harry and meghan say they plan to carve out a progressive new role within this institution and they want to work to become financially indendent. that last point is going to be complicated because nding is shared among th royal family.
they addressed this in detail on a new website published sterday. this funding page outlines how they hope it will work. some of their income comes from what is called the sovereign grand, and ty say they will be tppy to fort. the website also details a new approach tthe media, as the bbc's media editor on that. reporter: they have particularly quite long, quite detailed media strategy which says everytng is going to change. the first big thing is that royal coverage has been dominated by -- a bit like in westminster for political coverage in the u.k., we have a lobby system where certain journalists get privileged access in turn for may be ightly more favorable reporting. that is our guest happened foya decades . they say we will not operate as part of that. and when we give access to it will not be from fusty old institutions like journalists. dolby from those w causes like mental health that they are interested in. they will use their own social
-media channels and their website to communica t directly wi public. interesting generational point -- the duke and duchess of sussex are of a generation where social media, not print or broadcast, by the primary source of news. they are less attachment to an need of traditional journalists. ros: a palacsource told the c that senior members of the royal family feel hurt by the announcement, and confirmed that no members of the royal family were consulted. for further analysis, you can find it on the bbc news website and bbc news app. for the latest on what is coming out of buckingham palace, here's richard galpin. richard: the bbc understands we have heard important developments. they are saying that the queen us spoken to prince charles and princeilliam on this subject and they have agreed to direct their staff and different olds to look into this whole issue and try to find workable solution, as they put
it, to prince harry and meghan's desire for a new progressive world within the royal family. this is all is like a counter move by buckingham palace, and it is obviously an attempt to make sure that ince harry and meghan remain within the fold. they are putting out an olive branch and say let's talk about this, here is a start. ros: but when they talk about a workable solution, in practical terms,hat are we talking about? funding, commitments? what else? richard: a holistic issues. ros: go o.n, do richard: titles -- will they remain as royal highnesses? that will certainly remain. what about the house? they have the house in windsor which was renovated and a lot of money, more than 2 million pounds. apparently -- well, we don't know, it the issuwhether they will keep it. it is possible they will have to rent it. really big issue, obviously,
security. they are saying they want to spend a time betwixt and between the u.k. and canada, or north america. if it were, for example, in canada, the cost could be huge. security normally comes from police, metropolitan police, and it would rack up huge bills if this a good emphasis were to go with em back and forth between cana and the united kingdom. that is taxpayers' money which would be used for that. the other issue is the financial issues. again, the issueg of them want be financially independent, which presumably means they want to work. but the palace is -- we understand it would be very concerned about going into the commerci there are precedents in the past were members of the royal family have done that and it has led to reputational damage.
there would be a lot of issues about that as well. ros: it would be complicated if you are running a company, but s ese are close relatives, and it seems there ilot of upset between certain sides of this family. richard: huge amounts, yes. the palace have said the ral family is disappointed and hurt by this. t there have bee going on between prince harry and his brother, prince william. they sm to have fallen out. all of this going on, it has been a ver, y difficurbulent time for the royal family. ros: a view minutes on the program, we will bring up-to-date on the australian bushfires. there are more warnings in place because further hot, dry weather is on its way. ros: let's go back to our lead story, because in iran, a senior military commander has gone on ctv sayihangthey have fired
missiles on u.s. bases tuesday night, they were prepared to fi hundreds more had the u.s. retaliated. here is how iranian media is covering the story. reporter: they see it as a huge victory,he way they are presenting it to people of iran, they say that it was an amazing victory, it was th they pledged, they said that the blood of the late genera bl soleimani hn avenged. at this point it seems to be just this, although they say they were planning massive attacks -- they could have pld massive attacks, they were prepared for hundreds of missiles, but they stop at that stage because that was enough.
s: i'm ros atkins with "outside source," live in the bbc news room. 's prime minister jus trudeau says that intelligence suggests that thss ukrainian paenger plane that s shot down ban iranian surface-to-air missile. all 176 people on board were killed. let me bring you the latest on the australian bushfires. authorities are urging people living in areas unde teat to leave or risk becoming trapped. that warning has extra urgency becare hot, dry weather is coming. we know in victoria, a state of disaster has been declared. these are the fire warnings there. red is extreme, orange severe, yellow is very high. almost the entire state is what to update you on kangaroo island off the coastst of south lia. the situation theser expressing, as you can see from this image. the army is being called in and
soldiers areing on doors and telling people to leave. this is the latest fire map on the island. areas that have beeed out are marked in blue. the area in red is where an emergency warning is in place. yellow means watch an act -- that means anarmergency is and to be vigilant. the mayor of kangaroo island has been tweeting abou sthe situatioing this is hell on earth. 00 a.m., the fires sti warning a few kileters from the aport. "we are dead beat," he says. fires are in three states in the southeast of the country. 27 people have been killed and more than 2000av homesbeen destroyed. the prime minister says the threat is far from over. prime min. morrison: would encourage all of us choice to continue to follow the advice of authorities. anyou for your generosity and support. all levels of government will keep working to ensure that we come to this together by staying gether. ros: let's turn to a place in a new south wales. lucy hockings is there.
lu: there a over 100 fires still burning in new south wales, so there is concern about what the hot, windy weather will brin fires are a natural part of australian life, but everyone is shocked by the ferocity of this year's season. an architect to spend years to ulsend in building a beaut garden at home in the kangaroo valley. he knew that this day would one yome. he sheltered with eight ofn is neighborss home and watched a cyclonic firestorm head towards his house. this is the story of how he and his neighbors survived at his home. >> we saved the house and house d us. that was a nexus that if it had broken at any point we would have perished. the air was like if you are in a try bnderstorm, but instead of sheets of water, it was sheets of embers and looked like fire.
hrthere was a glowgh the air. the horizontal rain was horizontal burning. pieces of wood flying through the air and leaves. and the strength of the wind was just incredibl ro next to a place in new south wales. jonathan head is there. jonathanin the fire-bleached rn coast fromas gary simpson's backyard has taken a beating. some of his tallest trees badly charred have had to be fe lled and drag a safe distance from his house. uhe has been cleari ever since a raging fire swept through las saturday and preparing for more fires once the weather heats up again. this was what was happening last weekend. the whole forest around his house was ablaze. >>id at one stage i his doesn't look good. this whole area is awash with
flames. li's a pretty scary f. yeah, it can be scary, most definitely. we have been very lucky. we saved the houses. people on the coast of new south wales have been completely devasted. they have only their standard-- they stand in. that is a horrible thing. ros: there is an urgency at the moment because the fires continue to burn. mef the problems created will take years to resolve. next we go to a town again in new south wales, it was hit last weekend, and at least 17 houses were lost. eais is one farmer in the >> that is most distressing thing for most, farmee loss of livestock. we had just a small group of 140 sheep. we lt half of them. we had to shoot a few ourselves. the veterinary services
euthanized another 30. they were very kind and goddess two-state of the house that got us to stay at the house -- got us to stay at the house. we cap the gunshots. a neighbor had 50-odd cows and has three left. ros: the fires have put attention on australia's also--- fossil-fuel industry. this shift is caused by global climate change, which is caused by human behavior, not least emissions from fossil fuels. and ty are worth a lot to australia. it is the third biggest fossil-fuel exporter in the world. coal exports were worth 47 billion u.s. dollars in the last financial year. the industry provides .,000 jo the governing coalition led by the liberal parties seeking what prime minister scott morrison calls a balance between reducing emissions and supporting the industry. for the liberals, that means a
number o government signing off on a new coal mineso for north of neh wales in queenslanan queen the then-resources minister said that there was a strong moral case for exporting coal to other countries. if that is export, there is domestic energy use. this is a report fromerhe renewable lobbies telling us that falls appeals made up 79% of' austra's total electricity generation in 2017. inthe equivalent figurhe u.k. was 40%. this is the leader ofabhe opposition party. >> the road to a low-caren future can paved with literally hundreds of thousands of clean-energy jobs, as well as supporting traditionalnc jobsding coal mining. ros: clean-energy jobs, coal jobs, jobs all around, we will see. this is an organization that has
an analysis of all the parties' policies on energy and climate change in the last election. labor affirmshe inevitability transition from coal and says we need a plan to support communitieffected. but there is little detail on how it will force through the move away frofossil fuels. and it is keen to be supportive of coal. here's a picture released by the minerals council of australia showing four labor m getting a f tource last year. as for other places in the world, short-term politics and long-term climate plyicy sit unea in australia. both parties are familiar with trying to have your cake and eating it, too. as for the minerals council of australia, we asked for an interview but it declined. our lead story is that justin trudeau has given a press conference in the laple of hours in which he says canada and its intelligence services believe the passenger plane shot down near tehran on wednesday
morninwas shot down by leantiaircraft iranian mis fire. just before we finish, this happened today >> the ayes to the right, 330. the nows to the left, 2. the ayes have it. ros: i guess if at first you don't succeed, t, try again. the commons voted in favor of the withdrawal agreement bill. it will pass the house of lords for further scrutiny nextof wee. alhich sees the u.k. heading towards the 31st of january and exiting the european union. thanks for watching. see you tomorrow. bye-bye. narrator: funding for this presentation is
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